Kevin Armstrong has played alongside icons like David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Thomas Dolby, Sinéad O’Connor and many others. We catch up to talk about his forthcoming autobiography Absolute Beginner which comes out on 17th October; as well as the Lust For Life project which has brought together the likes of Clem Burke, Glen Matlock and Katie Puckrik to celebrate the classic Iggy album; plus our mutual love of the live music scene down here in Hastings.
When did the idea for the autobiography first come about? Was it a covid lockdown project for you or did it begin well before that?
No, it began well before that. It was after David Bowie died. Because I was in the middle of my late-blossoming run with Iggy Pop in 2014-19. I was like two years into that and I was half-expecting to see Bowie again at some point. I hadn’t seen him for twenty years but I was half-expecting to see him again just because him and Iggy are good friends and he would quite likely turn up in the old days back-stage and come and visit us or take us out for a meal or whatever. So I did expect to see him again. When he died, it was quite a shocker and so at that point I thought, well it’s time to tell the story now. I’m back with Iggy for a second time, David’s just died and these are giants of music and it just made me think, well they’re all disappearing and soon I’ll be disappearing so we might as well tell the story.
Was it part of a mourning process for you then, as a sort of personal thing as well?
Not really. It was more of a kick up the arse. It was more saying, well if ever you’re going to write this story – obviously I’d thought about it in the past – then I just thought, well now’s the right time to start it. I didn’t know where it would go. I didn’t really think about, “Oh this is definitely going to be a book and I’m going to put it out.” It wasn’t that. It was more or less, I’ve just got to write this down now and chronicle it, even if it’s just for myself. So I started writing and because I was on the road with Iggy a lot at that time, that gives you a lot of downtime. Sitting in the back of cars, or in an aeroplane or in a hotel waiting or whatever. There’s a lot of spare time if you like so I used that time. I just carried a laptop with me and started writing. And just carried on.
So it’s definitely been more about writing than partying on tour these days?
Oh it hasn’t been partying for years, to be honest. I mean, you know it used to be groupies in the back of the bus and taking your own weight in drugs every day – but that stopped a very long time ago. These days, the more civilised and professional outfits – even Iggy Pop – it’s more bottles of Perrier and laptops.
In spite of sharing a rehearsal studio with the Sex Pistols, you are quite candid in the book about not really getting punk, musically, when it came along. Obviously, your first love was the older bands like Zepelin and Purple but then you seemed to slot into the world of post-punk extremely well?
Well, I think we all had to sink or swim at that point. I was a musician before my contemporaries at that time. So when punk came along – I’m sure a lot of musicians felt the same – it was like “Oh, what’s this? We’re supposed to unlearn everything we’ve learned? Or pretend we don’t know stuff.” Because it’s not cool to know the difference between a major and a minor chord even. So I guess I fell into that as a means of survival really. And then, of course, your taste develops over your life, doesn’t it? Things you might have dismissed earlier on in life, you sort of get them later on and you think, “Oh yeah, I know what that’s about…” And that doesn’t always happen at a time that’s useful to you but it’s what happened to me. And then during the post-punk phase, I think clearly it became, with the more sophisticated American bands coming through – your Blondies and your Televisions – it became less de rigueur to know absolutely nothing about music. Because if you were in the Talking Heads you had to know one end of an instrument from the other. Whereas if you were in Slaughter & The Dogs you sort of didn’t.
There’s a passage in the book that you describe as the pivotal moment in your life where you had been booked in to do a session with a mystery big-name artist in early 1985. When you got that call had you any thoughts on who it might be when you were first asked?
Yeah, Bowie was on the list. I can’t remember who else we thought it might be but Bowie was on the list because there was a rumour. I don’t know maybe it was just a hope or something. But there wasn’t a lot of time to talk to anyone about it because I wasn’t super-aware who was going to be there among the other band members either. I think I knew Matthew Seligman was going to be there, the bass-player, because we were always in touch. But the others I didn’t really know them that well so the only discussion about it was for the twenty minutes before it happened. In the studio itself, where we said, “Who do you think is coming? Who is it?” So Bowie was one of the names that came up.
So that turned out to be the make-or-break career moment for you, as you describe in the book, and a lot of things flowed from that?
Well it would do, wouldn’t it? I mean once you’ve had an opportunity like that to play with someone like that, people notice. And so it opened a lot of doors for me, of course it did. And I think it’s done that for almost everyone who’s ever played with Bowie for any length of time. Immediately, your kudos goes up. Your bankability. Your whole level of class goes up. “Oh, that guy played with Bowie.” It just becomes a badge of excellence wherever you go.
And he was always very aware of that, wasn’t he? And tried to use it in a positive way.
I think he was. Actually, the whole thing I go into in the book about, him using all that time, the precious seconds of his set at Live Aid to introduce the band by name. That was his way of understanding that. He knew. We weren’t getting paid for it but that’s hardly the point. The point was he wanted to actually say our names on that stage which was typically empathetic of him in a way. He understood that.
In the book you talk about the diverse range of artists you’ve toured or recorded with. For you as a guitarist, which have been the most satisfying, artistically, to work with?
Oh, that’s an interesting question. I did enjoy working with Morrissey very much because at that time in my path as a musician… it was just one of those stepping stones where I developed as a guitar-player, working for him. And I’ve always enjoyed working with those artists that stretch me as a musician. Sometimes they stretch you as a performer, you know. Like Iggy Pop, for instance. There’s a certain level of aggression and emotional focus you need to play, even though the music’s quite simple. But I have enjoyed working with the more sophisticated musical artists where I’ve really learnt something or had to stretch. I’ve said yes to it at the beginning and then realised, woah! I’m a little bit out of my depth. So Prefab Sprout would come into that category, as would Thomas Dolby, actually. Things where you come out the other end feeling, “Ah, I’m a bit smarter. I’ve learnt something here.”
Morrissey was the same because I actually got to write a few songs with Morrissey and I was there right from the start – it wasn’t like a “Come in and do an overdub” to something that was already happening. It was right in from the ground, writing, and making the records. So my guitar-playing took a definite leap forward with that because I was conscious of the fact that being ‘Morrissey’s guitarist’ you’ve got Johnny Marr as a bench-mark and you’d better do something that’s good. And so I’m quite pleased with the work I did with Morrissey from that point of view. And Thomas Dolby the same. Because he’s a keyboard-player and because he uses chords that aren’t in the book, you have to know your stuff and you have to learn what he’s doing. And sometimes he’d write guitar parts as well but he’d write them on a keyboard with a sequencer or something and then I’d have to translate them and make them guitaristic or make them even playable on a guitar – which was a big challenge. And lots of people still say, “Oh, I love your guitar part on this.” And actually it was Thomas’s but I learnt to play it and made it my own.
And so the most rewarding creatively aren’t necessarily the most high profile or the most lucrative?
No, not really. It depends how you judge things doesn’t it? I mean, I’ve never thought of it in that way. “I’ve got to work with famous people or people where you earn the most money.” It’s always, from a musician point of view, about how to please yourself in a way and how to bring something that’s like how to really enjoy what you’re doing. And sometimes that can be the most obscure artists. For eleven years I had a studio in Portobello Road and all manner of people came through there. And some of them were completely obscure but some of the best music I’ve ever made is on those tapes.
And let’s just talk a little bit about Iggy Pop. Obviously, working with David Bowie opened doors for working with Iggy on the Blah Blah Blah album – which I bought at the time it came out. And then you had a second stint with Iggy. In the book you talk about your differences in approach between the first and the second stint. Clearly, there was a certain amount of growing up along the way?
Well, it was a big gap. I stopped working with Iggy for the first time in 1986 and I didn’t get to work with him again until 2014 – so go figure! You’re a changed person by that time and I definitely didn’t know very much about my craft as a sideman in the beginning because that started with Bowie and then it went on into Iggy and became a bit of a rollercoaster. But I didn’t have any preparation or run-up to that. I wasn’t trying to be that. I was trying to be an artist before that and I just got bounced into that world. So the first time around with Iggy, I’d always thought during the intervening years, “Oh, my goodness. That was so great what we did but it could have been so much better with what I know now.” Because I didn’t really know – I was kind of as green as a cabbage then. And so getting the call in 2014 was a massive great opportunity to revisit some of that work. And we’re even playing some of the same songs and this time really use all the intervening experience to make it great. And I think we got half-way there! I never think I get more than anywhere more than halfway to what’s in my head – but we did some pretty good stuff.
You seem a little bit disappointed in the book that it came to an end because of Covid in a fairly low-key way rather than a big triumphant stadium gig somewhere?
That happened to lots of people! It happened to my son who was at school and then his school career just sort of fizzled out – with online lessons and no hoo-hah at the end of it. So I felt a little bit like that. It was a little bit of a victim of the pandemic. And Brexit, also, it has to be said. Because we used to be able to travel Europe-wide with no extra paperwork and even using our own equipment and driving it all around door-to-door anywhere in Europe, it was all fine. And then that all stopped and then when Iggy did this project with a French band for what was going to be a side-project – we were even saying, “Yeah we’re back in the saddle in a couple of months lads and here we go and all the rest of it.” And I was even talking to him directly about the changes to the set and all this stuff. And then it made sense, once they’d figured it out, for the French band to carry on as the Iggy band. Because they could travel freely and it was cheaper for them and there they were! I’m still in touch with Iggy – not on a very regular basis but we still have email traffic backwards and forwards and talk to each and it’s very pleasant – but it’s a bit of a shame, yeah, the way it finished. I thought we should have gone out n a blaze of glory rather than a rather desultory gig in a theme park in Budapest in 2019.
Although you did end up still performing those songs and celebrating Iggy in quite a different way?
As you well know! Because of the great work you’ve done on the Lust For Life tour. Our friend Tom Wilcox had the idea to do a tribute thing with some ex-Iggy members so we’ve assembled Clem Burke and Glen Matlock and the excellent Katie Puckrik – who’s been a revelation to us all – singing. So we are doing that again in March 2024 and I’m looking forward to that. I even got a message from Iggy. I sent him a couple of clips of the band playing and he said, “You guys sound great!”
Were you pleasantly surprised by the response that the Lust For Life tour got?
I definitely was, yeah. Because, as you and I know, Tom Wilcox has these amazing concepts of bands that he’d like to see put together. And some of them work and some of them go on to have a bit of a life and other ones just crash into the dust – however good they are. I recall the one we did with Richard Strange, and Lou Reed material, which I thought was very, very good but only a very few people came to sees it. But this one caught fire. Which is good really because it was originally billed, as you know, around Tony Sales – the Tin Machine bass-player and early Iggy bass-player. It was built around him and even all the merchandise had his name on and everything. And then he couldn’t make it for sort of administrative reasons so that whole tour was hanging by a thread.
It almost came to a sticky end…
It almost came to a sticky end. I had a Zoom call with Clem Burke and Tom and Katie going, “Well, what we going to do?” We’d lost the principal guy who was selling tickets and we lost a Japan trip over it. And then I thought, hang on let’s call Glen Matlock. And luckily he didn’t say no! And him and Clem had been working in Blondie, as you know, so it was brilliant. And Glen was the only person on the planet who could have filled that seat in the right way, having the Iggy connection and being a name himself. So it took off and I was very pleased with it.
And although Glen didn’t play on the Lust For Life album he’s obviously much better known in this country anyway.
Yes, he had played for Iggy. He’s played in Iggy’s band. They know each other so all of us have that connection with the music and I was so pleased with Iggy’s reaction to the band and the crowds who came as well. They really seemed to love it.
Any my final question is more of a local one really. Like a good number of musicians of a certain vintage you ended up moving from London to Hastings. Was the local music scene down here part of the attraction or was that mainly just a happy coincidence?
A bit of both really because I knew a number of musicians who were from down here so I played with Russell Field and Blair MacKichan and Liam Genockey. So I knew there was a bit of a scene down here but I was quite surprised when we moved down here and realised quite how vibrant it is. It’s actually much more active than the London area I was working in, where obviously I had my professional friends and network of people. But down here there really is a burgeoning music scene encompassing everything from young original artists to cover bands and veteran rockers and legends and all that. So there seems to be a massive culture of music in Hastings and that’s thrilling to me. It’s brilliant. I’ve been down here ten years now and it’s really in my bones now.
Yes! I’ve been here seven now and it was definitely part of the attraction for me was being able to see so many bands.
Yeah, I’ve even seen James Hunter playing in the Albion. Or you can see Liane Caroll playing for free in the wine bar in the town – it’s just great.
Fantastic! Is there anything else you want to tell us?
Just that the physical copies of the book are out in October. It’s available for pre-order on Amazon. I’m doing two little book launch events. One will be on 15th October at the Kino (St Leonards) and that will be canapes, wine, a bit of singing, a bit of meet and greet. And I think there’s quite exciting news of one coming in the next few days in Heddon Street which, of course, is the place of Ziggy fans / Bowie fans pilgrimage. And there’s a place called Ziggy’s which is relocating to the very building where that photograph was taken in front of that building. And I believe they want me to do a launch there.
And, of course, anybody can contact me through my website and get signed copies or come and meet at an event.
Also, probably worth mentioning we’re doing the Lust For Life Tour in March next year and I’m part of the Bowie convention in Liverpool in July next year as well so I look forward to meeting people there.
More information at: https://www.kevin-armstrong.com/
Tickets for the 20024 Lust For Life Tour available via: https://www.lustforlifetour.com/
Photo credit for header: Cormac Figgis
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